Why do Samurai Henches have to be D rank?

[Jinan B]

Ok so like, I know the rule is generally for samurai to always be D rank, and that extends to being a hench and w/e.

But like, really?

Can I just point out that in order to have any archive taijutsu/archive tai styles on this site you need at least two taijutsu concs.

and if you have two tai concs as a hench you need 10 tai

and if you have 10 tai and 1 in every other stat your total is 17

Yet D rank companions get 16 stats at start up

...

:/

May I suggest either making it possible to have a C rank Samurai hench, which has 40 stats at start up and wouldn't really provide any advantages cause you'd have to do a plot board and it's still the amount of stats you'd have as a PC samurai.

Or otherwise up the starting stat count to 17 for D rank companions

Or otherwise have a bloody tai style that needs one concentration please

[Valkier]

Ignore this post, I was silly and got something wrong
carry on!

[Sia]

Errr the reason used to be because it was effectively a MN character that couldnt get hunted. Not sure what it is nowadays.

And to be clear, a D-Ranked companion is effectively an e-ranked character. C-ranked companions are effectively d-ranked characters, etc. Companions require higher stats for concs so they wont be overpowered af. theyre already strong. o_o

[Jinan B]

Sia I hate to say it but I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make there

[Willoria]

I think that Sia is trying to say that in theory d ranked sam's as henches are even more limited than one realizes. As a D rank in our system, in our hench system, is comparable to an E rank rpc I think?

And as a note this is something I've tried to bring up before back when I had Akane was pretty much ignored or told 'don't worry about it'. lol

[7eleven]

I've always been a proponent of removing the rank restrictions on MC characters.

The argument I was always given was that, if we allow MC characters of higher rank, they will be unable to use all of their stats because they're only allowed 1 stat ninjutsu, genjutsu, and control. Which could easily be solved by removing that restriction. If the whole needing to be taught to use jutsu IC rule remains, then having a few points in Ninjutsu isn't going to make any difference.

[Willoria]

Well that's for main RPC's though too.

Here we are talking about as Henches, where they get significantly less in stats and the like and so that wouldn't be nearly such an issue.

[Gara]

I've always been a proponent of removing the rank restrictions on MC characters.

The argument I was always given was that, if we allow MC characters of higher rank, they will be unable to use all of their stats because they're only allowed 1 stat ninjutsu, genjutsu, and control. Which could easily be solved by removing that restriction. If the whole needing to be taught to use jutsu IC rule remains, then having a few points in Ninjutsu isn't going to make any difference.

I agree. Especially with the updated system, and the removal of rank stat caps.

[TyDie]

Well that's for main RPC's though too.

Here we are talking about as Henches, where they get significantly less in stats and the like and so that wouldn't be nearly such an issue.

^ This. The topic specifically says "Henches" guys. is this about henches or RPCs or both?

[Willoria]

If we're going to discuss the stats and fate of Minor Country Primary characters can we discuss it in another thread?

This one was posted concerning Henches and I worry that crossing the two will only get the entire thing ignored. We really should stay on task and topic here....

[Nick]

Because onu hates samurai.

[7eleven]

Don't see the problem tbh, it seems relevant to me. If we lift the restrictions on sams in general then that would fix Jinan's problem.

[Izanagi]

I agree. The restrictions should be lifted for samurai henchmen and PC's. Strong Samurai characters are unheard of with this system and it's incredibly discouraging to the many people who have an interest in developing minor country characters and lore etc...Would be a much more immersive experience if powerful samurai were a present force in the sites canon and one just doesn't get that impression at all currently.

[Jinan B]

Well good morning guys, lol. Lemme just address a few of these quick.

I've always been a proponent of removing the rank restrictions on MC characters.

The argument I was always given was that, if we allow MC characters of higher rank, they will be unable to use all of their stats because they're only allowed 1 stat ninjutsu, genjutsu, and control. Which could easily be solved by removing that restriction. If the whole needing to be taught to use jutsu IC rule remains, then having a few points in Ninjutsu isn't going to make any difference.

To be fair I can understand the limit as it applies to RPC, in that how it doesn't really make sense ICly for a sam to have nin/gen/cont skill cause there aren't hidden villages and the like, and that extends to the rank thing because if you could make an A-rank sam you'd have 197 stats between 5 stats, which literally nets you a stat average about the same as an max-stat char across 8 stats (in this case, 39,4 compared to 40.6). While any Shinobi could just spec like that though, in this case you have a character with almost endgame tai entirely capable of just going and joining some attack on a hidden village or smth without being able to be hunted first cause he's a Sam.

If we're going to discuss the stats and fate of Minor Country Primary characters can we discuss it in another thread?

This one was posted concerning Henches and I worry that crossing the two will only get the entire thing ignored. We really should stay on task and topic here....

Yes, please can we do this. I know that if the general limits were lifted it would fix this as well, but asking for that is a far greater question (and may I say, far more likely to be denied) than what I'm actually wanting to ask. If it gets changed due to the mods agreeing with another thread, awesome, but please don't turn this into that thread. This is only to ask for a change that makes it possible to make a Samurai hench that in capable of using archive tai, let alone being able to have 200 stats or have point in the "Shinobi" stats.

So, just to reiterate, I'm requesting primarily that Samurai henches be allowed to start at C rank due to the fact that a C rank hench is equivalent to a D rank RPC anyway, so it's not like there would be any super powerful sams running around due to that change. I'm also requesting that if that isn't possible, that D rank companions get their stats moved up to like 17 or ideally 20, because that's still half of a C rank companion and shouldn’t really make much of a difference at all in the major scheme of things. Or if neither of those things are possible, then at least a little 1 conc tai gets drafted for the duel purpose of having tai that D rank Sam Henches can have, and for showing what you can actually do with only one concentration.

[zippo]

I agree. The restrictions should be lifted for samurai henchmen and PC's. Strong Samurai characters are unheard of with this system and it's incredibly discouraging to the many people who have an interest in developing minor country characters and lore etc...Would be a much more immersive experience if powerful samurai were a present force in the sites canon and one just doesn't get that impression at all currently.

This can, tbh, open up those who want to work in rain, waterfall, grass [etc] lore for ninjas from minor countries. Or at least build a lore from there.

[Ace Trainer]

Yeah I hate Samurai

[Gara]

So is this being discussed by staff?

[Gara]

Le bump

[Das Kirb]

Due to another thread addressing a similar problem and being far more recent I'm closing this one down for the sake of cleanliness.

This topic is complete