Naruto Saigen Roleplay

Alright so, this has been discussed in the past but nothing ever really came of it.

We have plenty of stuff in place that punishes members for inactivity. Timing applications. Failure of topics. Events becoming non-canon. Loss of points. etc. On the flip side, however, we don't have anything that repays members for staff inactivity. Apps can wait days, weeks sometimes, without being checked if a couple of mods are busy with life. Thats not really anyone's fault in particular, but it seems backwards that we punish members, somewhat arbitrarily mind you, but give lee-way on OFFICIAL STAFF ACTIVITY.

Look at it this way.
In an official thread, if I take too long to post, the staff has the option to literally kill my character.
In an official thread, if the thread takes too long to post, I have to petition for an auto-pass, which typically results in the person I ended up waiting 3 weeks to post, just going ahead and posting.

Not exactly fair.

So, I suggest that we introduce compensation. If an app waits more than 5 days to be checked, the member should be rewarded 5 points, then 5 additional points for each day following that. Same goes for a topic that is being ran by an official medium. That way, members get compensated for the staff's failure to do their job. It doesn't hurt anyone. It doesn't give the members an unfair advantage or anything. Just, a little token of "sorry the staff blows chunks"

I think 5 points a day after 5 days is excessive, but I support the general idea.

I... think that's crazy.

Staff have no real obligations to this forum or their duties. Paying members doesn't change that, so it's not like this will help make staff more active. It also rewards people that make complicated characters that are hard to check and older members who are more likely to have said characters.

Also, you can RP while your application is in registration, so it's not like it's a massive detriment.

-THP

and note: I'd definitely have gotten points off this if it were in the rules, but it seems dumb to me.

1 point a day after the initial 5 points is more reasonable.

If you have have no real obligation to be here or do anything, then drop your staff position. Once you're staff and you're running this place, it is an obligation. This stance just shows us members staff doesn't give a flying fuck.

4 apprentices were made into mods in the last week and yet it's been 6 days since PBs were checked. Guess how many mods did something in that time? 1 mod and 1 GM who already held his position. THAT is insane.

If this were a real job, the company would be bankrupt.

This gives members a reason to stick around even if their application has been sitting for weeks because the mods are too afraid to make a call on an older, complex character. How many people have we lost because of wait times in reg/mods? A lot. We lose a lot of potential new members as well because of this.

I like the idea although I believe amounts should be tweaked.

says the person that's not staff, and ok, hey everybody that's staff and doesn't want to treat this like a paying job: niro says you should quit.

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but on the other hand it also doesn't make that much of a difference so w/e, lower the amounts and it doesn't harm the forum at all

Nice attempt on twisting my words.

There's that dismissive staff attitude that tells the member base they mean fuck all.

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says the person that's not staff, and ok, hey everybody that's staff and doesn't want to treat this like a paying job: niro says you should quit.

Com'mon CDF, you know better than to think thats going to work out for you. Lets do real arguments lol.

Actually, your argument is why I used the example I did. This isn't just a registry thing. This has an impact on the roleplay side of things too. We can literally kill characters, as staff, for member inactivity. Members get no such justice.

Compensation hurts no one. Mods do have lives, you're right. But those lives are harming members as individuals and compensation for them should be an option.

I think we need to be careful of how we talk about staff, of course they don’t have an obligation to the site. This is a hobby for them and for you. I wouldn’t say they are bad people or they should be fired. They have lives of their own and have their own RP’s to deal with which is the reason we are here. Sure I’ve recently become a mod and there are new members of staff aswell who have all stepped up and tried the best they can. But my RP takes priority over that. If that makes me a shitty person fine, I come here to RP because this is fun for me. I check as much as I possibly can. I don’t think this should be an attack on the ‘new staff’ or even the ‘current staff’ Checks have always been slow, under everyone’s leadership even ‘the oh great’ Onu. It’s not fair to be pointing the finger.

I can see the benefits of reward system for those who have to wait a long time, I get the frustration it happened to me loads and still does. The issue I see with it, keeping track of points for those checks creates extra work and I think that is counter productive of this whole point. I think the best bet would be to add more staff where possible, so we have more people who can may checks and so on. Everything, should hopefully run smoother and quicker.

Neither side is wrong, you're both just terrible at explaining it.

As staff we signed up to do this, we knew what we were getting ourselves into, and we knew it'd be somewhat of a task to keep at. However, it is entirely a voluntary service, nothing about is forced, anytime I could have a staff quit. I will not force them into it, so to take their work for granted or presume its a job and you're entitled to it is the wrong approach. However pretending we owe absolutely nothing as staff isn't the way to explain it either.

Sum of my point is, you both attacked each other, instead of actually getting to the heart of the conversation. Don't act entitled to the mods work, and the mods can't act like it isn't a job they didn't know about.

We'll look into something like this and discuss it in the staff forums.

Niro:

4 apprentices were made into mods in the last week and yet it's been 6 days since PBs were checked. Guess how many mods did something in that time? 1 mod and 1 GM who already held his position. THAT is insane.

Apparently you weren't paying attention which makes sense since you were gone.

I had swept all of PB's and gradings a day or two before this was made.

If you're going to try and rag on ALL staff, you may want to include the actions of ALL staff, not just the ones you don't like.

Aes Sedai:

Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:53 am

Niro:

4 apprentices were made into mods in the last week and yet it's been 6 days since PBs were checked. Guess how many mods did something in that time? 1 mod and 1 GM who already held his position. THAT is insane.

Apparently you weren't paying attention which makes sense since you were gone.

I had swept all of PB's and gradings a day or two before this was made.

If you're going to try and rag on ALL staff, you may want to include the actions of ALL staff, not just the ones you don't like.

You and Valk were the mods I was saying did something. I didn't name drop so it would look like I was favoring you both.

As previously stated by Director, this is being discussed by the moderation staff. In order to avoid any more disputes over this you should refrain from posting anything irrelevant until we come to a decision. Thank you.

Actually, everyone is kind of missing the point.

The activity of individual staff members, or the staff as a whole, is mostly irrelevant. The staff could be doing their jobs every day, and a system like this would still have reason to exist.

Its an unfair balance. We have an activity expectation from our memberbase, and literally punish them for not meeting it. The moment the members engage in any official activity, they are being required to meet that activity criteria.

The staff, however, are not held to that requirement, despite everything they do being considered official activity. It doesn't make sense to have that unbalanced relationship between the two. If we are going to compel our members to meet a specific criteria of activity, we should require our staff to do the same, or compensate the members for the staff's inability to do so.

Did this ever go anywhere?

I'll try and add it to the list of topics discussed. There's a lot going on atm so forgive us if there's a lag in results.

This needs to be a thing because there is no acceptable reason a mostly archive app should be in reg at 1/2 for 6 days, unchecked, and meanwhile staff are getting their henchmen approved in a day.

Kao:

Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:04 am

This needs to be a thing because there is no acceptable reason a mostly archive app should be in reg at 1/2 for 6 days, unchecked, and meanwhile staff are getting their henchmen approved in a day.

Yeah that's a fair point, it shouldn't of taken us so long. Though don't forget you can RP with the character while it's in regs. So it wasn't preventing you from roleplaying.

I like the idea of this, but it DOES encourage people to make exceedingly complicated apps that nobody wants to check and/or are afraid of.

I'm sorry, why are you a mod if you're "afraid" of complex apps. Lmao.

And even then, is an app is so complicated or difficult to the point where mods are shying away from it, they should be reaching out to a higher mod who can handle it more appropriately. Not just ignoring it.

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