Tenkujutsu, staff rulings, lottos, and status updates!

[Director]

Hello lovely members of Saigen, now to bring you news. But to preface, we're working on things, and trying to get them as quick as we can. As well as solve little quirks we notice to perfect the system. In this update it'll cover Tenkujutsu which now finally has the archive page in the registry, as well as underwent a little change that will be covered, and we'll update with some staff rulings recently to clarify questions and concerns.

Tenkujutsu

Tenkujutsu is finally done, and worked out to a system we're happy with. All though its been open to everyone, if problems are discovered obviously we will make changes to it accordingly to balance and make it more efficient. The biggest changes with it are Realm Summoning and Spirit Sealing.

To cover changes those are,

• Realm Summoning is under Tenkujutsu now, but requires charge fuuin as a pre-requisite.
• Special Tenkujutsu, IE overlays with genma and jinch to reduce forms require the pre-requisite of the respective corresponding concentration.
• All Tenkujutsu function underneath their own pyramid.
• Realm Summoning functions off of a system called Spirit Points.
• Shizu, Realm, Spirit Sealing, and anything Tenkujutsu related functions off of control under a 4th slot as it does not fall under Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, or Genjutsu. However it still counts against the total 18 concs allowed on a character. But don't go against the nin, tai, or gen numbers.
• Tenkujutsu functions off of control not any of the nin, tai, or gen stats.
• It does not require any type of specialization.

Read more about it here.

Staff Rulings

• Training in PBs are not allowed. You cannot stat train or jutsu train in PBs. However if you do not participate in over 50% of the PB and do not receive stat rewards, you may stat train.
• You can swap out one concentration per character. The conditions are it must have no jutsu, or you must be willing to forfeit all jutsu within it. Any exceptions to this made prior at the time of this ruling, will count towards that single swap. Also you can only swap it out, you cannot just get rid of it.
• Carbon copies of dead characters are not allowed. You cannot recreate a dead character in all of its glory. You can steal things for new characters like abilities, jutsus, and concentrations but the entirety of the character is dead and it will stay that way.

Lotteries

Starting next week on Monday we will begin the lotteries again for the Legendary Weapons, as well as a Kage lottery for Kiri and a Bannin lottery for Kumo. However the trick is unfortunately that if you win both, you must decide between one or the other. However you are free to enter both, but you cannot have both if you were to win both.

Status Update

So now for an important little rambling about whats being developed, and what you guys can expect to see. Not soon, I won't try to put a due date on it, just some notes on how far we've gotten done. With organizations they're coming along great, right now we're working on rewards, as well as making those function to the benefit of the org. As well as personal rewards for helping an org. I won't divulge all the details, however I will hint at something. Think specs.

A weapon pricing table is currently being developed, it was discussed today, and is currently being worked on/updated.

A poison pricing system is in the works, and is nearly complete. There are some final edits and cuts that need to be made. However all thanks go to Kat for making a great framework to work from, and begin at. Which cuts down a lot of time taken away as I develop orgs.

Also a system is being developed for making it rewarding to rank up as a genin, but also give some variety for end-game players so they're not stuck being able to obliterate everything in existence and have things to earn/do. However I will leave very little details other than what the baseline topic is.

Not to mention the events for this month will be the lotteries, and the events in the future are being planned out. We will have one ready for each month, for everyone to participate in.

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That is your little Saigen update on whats done, and what is currently being worked on. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns please leave them here. And we will try to get to them as soon as we can.

-♠DirectorPr

[Sanjuro]

'You can swap out one concentration per character. The conditions are it must have no jutsu, or you must be willing to forfeit all jutsu within it. Any exceptions to this made prior at the time of this ruling, will count towards that single swap. Also you can only swap it out, you cannot just get rid of it.'

Does the swapped concentration have to fall under the same category? Say you swap out Upper Body concentration, does the new one need to be Taijutsu or can it be a Ninjutsu or Genjutsu concentration?

[Director]

'You can swap out one concentration per character. The conditions are it must have no jutsu, or you must be willing to forfeit all jutsu within it. Any exceptions to this made prior at the time of this ruling, will count towards that single swap. Also you can only swap it out, you cannot just get rid of it.'

Does the swapped concentration have to fall under the same category? Say you swap out Upper Body concentration, does the new one need to be Taijutsu or can it be a Ninjutsu or Genjutsu concentration?

No, as long as you have another slot open. If that conc was lets say Upper Body that you're replacing? You could replace it with something like katon. The category doesn't matter, just you need to have a replacement prepared at the time.

[CDF]

"Realm Summoning also overlays a different environment pulled from the spirit realm. This can realm from anything to lava fields, swamp lands, or blindingly cold snow stormy fields. This overlay does not effect the existing terrain, IE a summoned lava field would effect those who step in, but the environment it overlays like buildings, trees, and etc. will not effected."

"This can realm" i'm assuming is a typo.

"If two realms are summoned on-top of one another, it then follows to a battle between the two user's ninjutsu stats. The higher of the two's realm is placed over the other one."

Wouldn't that be control?

"Additionally, the control over a boundary gives fuuinjutsu users the ability to even further boost the capabilities of the spirits their utilizing, which can make them deadly opponents in themselves."
in and of themselves*

Cool stuff yo!

[Director]

Yes, that is a typo and it was meant to be control. Thanks for pointing 'em out and I'll fix em after work.

[Gara]

Just so everyone knows how bitter I am; everyone else in the last kumo bannin, except myself, went inactive. I did not obviously. And because Orius happened to get his through before going inactive I did not get my chance >:C

[Director]

The Kumo Bannin lottery is actually being passed on to Sia, as she was next in succession after Ori. So do not fret, you may have a chance, who knows.

[CDF]

since I'm getting into this for Hito, i have a bunch of questions and figure i should ask them here in case it helps anybody else:

realm summoningShow

1 ) Is there any kind of guide or standard for the sizes of the area of the realm summoned?2 ) can I give unique body traits, such as extra limbs, wings, eyes, etc. to these spirits? What about things like a body covered in lava or stuff like that?3 ) are there size restrictions on the spirits i summon into the realm?

2 ) can I give unique body traits, such as extra limbs, wings, eyes, etc. to these spirits? What about things like a body covered in lava or stuff like that?3 ) are there size restrictions on the spirits i summon into the realm?

3 ) are there size restrictions on the spirits i summon into the realm?

4 ) So the jutsu that summons the realm itself is what dictates the spirits I can summon into that realm, it's not that I'm getting individual jutsu for each spirit i'm summoning? Does that mean I don't have to apy for them like jutsu when i put them on my app?

5 ) "Once Realm Summoning has been completed, modifications can be made to the boundaries with more fuuin to increase their strength and potency." What does this mean? i mnean, what kind of strength/potency could we change?

6 ) Can the summoned spirits come with weapons? Like having a monkey appear with a staff or something

Chakra bindingShow

1 ) "Users of chakra binding do not have to sign contracts. Instead, so long as they have used jutsu to claim the spirit, they are able to pull them to our realm via chakra binding. Otherwise, they must use jutsu to bind a spirit." So I'm a little confused. So if Hito ran into a random spirit and used a chakra binding jutsu on it, he would then make the spirit disappear and call it back sometime in the future when he needed it? which means that before any spirits can be summoned this way, there must be an RP'd Ic interaction between the two?

2 ) Do spirits claimed through chakra binding need an application? Do they take companion slots?

3 ) "When bound, a spirit has no will of it’s own, and only acts at the whim of the binder. These whims can be expressed verbally or mentally." What's the extent of this? Is it like puppeteering where you're directly manipulating every action or is it like a program that you can give a task to and not have to manipulate every action they make?

4 ) "Chakra Binding allows spirits to exist anywhere within our realm, and is not subject to range limitations like contracting spirits is, as they do not need chakra from a host to persist." So this means once I claim a spirit, I can send them off to anywhere in the world using S/t, for example? But I'm assuming they're still limited by that 4-post count?

5 ) "Chakra Binding is C-rank minimum and lasts 4 posts, which can be used on E-rank spirits. B-rank binding is done on D-rank spirits, and so forth. The cost for binding is static, but higher ranked jutsu can be made to last longer." how much longer?

OchiiruShow

Once a Tsukimogami has been created, can it be sold? Can Hito make this and then give it to another suna nin? does that suna nin need to have charge fuuin?

Spirit possession:

1 ) So any spirit possession will be using spirits that have an actual app and take up companion slots?

2 ) "Spirit Possession is normally an ability or jutsu by the spirit, but can be done via a third party, too. These abilities and jutsu dictate the length of the possession. Possession can last from 1 post to several threads." So it can't be done just by the host with jutsu and no ability?

3 ) "Should the host remain in control, jutsu usage is based off the hosts knowledge. Should the spirit be in control, they can only use jutsu they know. However, using jutsu higher than their stamina stat (i.e, a B-rank jutsu with only 10 stamina) will husk the host, and eject the spirit. Using jutsu while possessed takes from the hosts stamina pool." Can a host give control to their spirit to access their jutsu?

4 ) Can I do spirit posessions with the spirits i summon using realm summoning if I limited the possession to the area of the realm?

5 ) i'm assuming i know the answer but: so if i get possesed by a lava spirit, do I get access to lava jutsu? If so, would I need to have a lava concentration on my profile that takes up a conc slot and i acn only use while possessed by taht spirit?

6 ) can possessions cause drastic form changes? I'm thinking in terms of stats but also stuff like growing wings/a tail/ etc.

7 ) "When possessing an object, Joruri forfeit their stats, and get a set of 4 stats like a puppet, based on their own rank. Their stamina directly carries over as a 5th stat, which also acts as their ninjutsu stat." And where do these stats go? in the jutsu i use for the possession? Which means I need a jutsu for each spirit-weapon possession? and what do we call the 5th stat?

8) If I take control of an enemy's spirit summon, can I then possess a person or object with it in that thread?

think that's all. for now at least haha

[Director]

Realm SummoningShow

1 ) Is there any kind of guide or standard for the sizes of the area of the realm summoned?

Standard is gonna be like typical nin rules, within reason. No 50² areas at just B-Rank, use your better judgement, mods will correct if necessary.

2 ) can I give unique body traits, such as extra limbs, wings, eyes, etc. to these spirits? What about things like a body covered in lava or stuff like that?

Yes, Spirits are spirits, they're meant to be whacky and different. I'd say supplemental hazards like lava bodies, can be cosmetic. If they actually have an effect, they need to suffer a stat debuff due to the strength that carries. Which use your better judgement for, mods will correct if necessary.

3 ) are there size restrictions on the spirits i summon into the realm?

Be reasonable, no 50 meter tall gargantuan as a D-Rank spirit. Be within reason, need more of a guideline if you're not sure whats reasonable look towards the size restrictions for an idea within the companion rules.

4 ) So the jutsu that summons the realm itself is what dictates the spirits I can summon into that realm, it's not that I'm getting individual jutsu for each spirit i'm summoning? Does that mean I don't have to apy for them like jutsu when i put them on my app?

Yes it is, you can see the spirit table for what you can summon within that realm. This includes your spirit companions as well, they would take up one of those slots if ranked applicably. Random spirits don't need to be applied for as they're randomly summon, you just need to fill out the example template properly. The rank of the spirit is the rank of the jutsu as you randomly summon them, so like an A-Rank spirit randomly summoned would cost A-rank's worth of chakra, and take the time of an A-rank (depending on your nin stat) to summon.

5 ) "Once Realm Summoning has been completed, modifications can be made to the boundaries with more fuuin to increase their strength and potency." What does this mean? i mnean, what kind of strength/potency could we change?

You could increase the range, make it a solid barrier, and even make it able to summon more spirits. However this can only be accomplished with augment fuuinjutsu+tenkujutsu.

6 ) Can the summoned spirits come with weapons? Like having a monkey appear with a staff or something

No special weapons, only minor weapons (IE staffs, swords, clubs, and etc), and no explosives. The weapons need to be appropriately sized, no 5 meter long buster swords or etc.

Chakra BindingShow

1 ) "Users of chakra binding do not have to sign contracts. Instead, so long as they have used jutsu to claim the spirit, they are able to pull them to our realm via chakra binding. Otherwise, they must use jutsu to bind a spirit." So I'm a little confused. So if Hito ran into a random spirit and used a chakra binding jutsu on it, he would then make the spirit disappear and call it back sometime in the future when he needed it? which means that before any spirits can be summoned this way, there must be an RP'd Ic interaction between the two?

2 ) Do spirits claimed through chakra binding need an application? Do they take companion slots?

3 ) "When bound, a spirit has no will of it’s own, and only acts at the whim of the binder. These whims can be expressed verbally or mentally." What's the extent of this? Is it like puppeteering where you're directly manipulating every action or is it like a program that you can give a task to and not have to manipulate every action they make?

4 ) "Chakra Binding allows spirits to exist anywhere within our realm, and is not subject to range limitations like contracting spirits is, as they do not need chakra from a host to persist." So this means once I claim a spirit, I can send them off to anywhere in the world using S/t, for example? But I'm assuming they're still limited by that 4-post count?

5 ) "Chakra Binding is C-rank minimum and lasts 4 posts, which can be used on E-rank spirits. B-rank binding is done on D-rank spirits, and so forth. The cost for binding is static, but higher ranked jutsu can be made to last longer." how much longer?

This is a mix-up between Binding and Claiming. Binding is temporary ownership/control over a spirit. So this is like binding an opponent's spirit for x posts temporarily using them for your own advantage. Claiming is where you permanently own them until they're taken via blood contract. Claiming takes up a companion slot, but due to the investment in Tenku you underwent you now are able to summon them with no chakra cost at any range. Chakra binding is temporary so you can send them somewhere else, but they're still limited to normal companion rules. And after x posts your control wears off. Claiming is where you can do willy nilly, send them wherever for as long as whenever. Chakra binding again is temporary, and to make them last longer lets say to temporarily bind an E-Rank spirit its C-rank jutsu with 4 posts minimum correct? Well if you wanted that post count to increase, make the jutsu a B-rank, most you can bind is an E-rank spirit for 6 posts. The cost of paying more but at the loss of only doing E-rank means you can keep them under your control for a bit longer.

OchiiruShow

Once a Tsukimogami has been created, can it be sold? Can Hito make this and then give it to another suna nin? does that suna nin need to have charge fuuin?

Tsukimogami can be created, and can be given to someone. However it requires the storage & force fuuin to create it. To own it, you don't need either. But to maintain the seal in the event it is removed or unsealed, you need the proper concs necessary to reseal it.

1 ) So any spirit possession will be using spirits that have an actual app and take up companion slots?

Yep.

2 ) "Spirit Possession is normally an ability or jutsu by the spirit, but can be done via a third party, too. These abilities and jutsu dictate the length of the possession. Possession can last from 1 post to several threads." So it can't be done just by the host with jutsu and no ability?

Yes, the host can use a tenkujutsu to allow the spirit to possess them. But you can also use it on allies and etc.

3 ) "Should the host remain in control, jutsu usage is based off the hosts knowledge. Should the spirit be in control, they can only use jutsu they know. However, using jutsu higher than their stamina stat (i.e, a B-rank jutsu with only 10 stamina) will husk the host, and eject the spirit. Using jutsu while possessed takes from the hosts stamina pool." Can a host give control to their spirit to access their jutsu?

Only to the spirit's knowledge of the arsenal.

4 ) Can I do spirit posessions with the spirits i summon using realm summoning if I limited the possession to the area of the realm?

Negative ghost rider.

5 ) i'm assuming i know the answer but: so if i get possesed by a lava spirit, do I get access to lava jutsu? If so, would I need to have a lava concentration on my profile that takes up a conc slot and i acn only use while possessed by taht spirit?

If you're possessed by a lava spirit that has access to lava, as long as you know their jutsu arsenal, you can use those jutsu regardless of your own concs/jutsus.

6 ) can possessions cause drastic form changes? I'm thinking in terms of stats but also stuff like growing wings/a tail/ etc.

They can cause aesthetic as well as beneficial changes, however anything outside of cosmetic would result in a debuff in other areas or usage of certain things typically allowed via possession.

7 ) "When possessing an object, Joruri forfeit their stats, and get a set of 4 stats like a puppet, based on their own rank. Their stamina directly carries over as a 5th stat, which also acts as their ninjutsu stat." And where do these stats go? in the jutsu i use for the possession? Which means I need a jutsu for each spirit-weapon possession? and what do we call the 5th stat?

You take stats directly from the puppet's starting stats at that rank. The stamina stat directly carries over regardless of the puppet stat allocation, and is just named stamina stat. You need a jutsu for each rank of the spirit you making into a jouri.

8) If I take control of an enemy's spirit summon, can I then possess a person or object with it in that thread?

Yes, however if you lose control over the enemies spirit while they're possessing they can eject themselves or now control whatever they're possessing (depends if they meet the requisites if they're possessing a person).

[WrightJustice]

What do you mean by "know their jutsu arsenal"?

[Director]

Like if they're your companion, obviously you know all of their jutsu. But lets say John Smith who knows absolutely nothing about the spirit is possessed. They won't have access to any of the spirit's jutsu they haven't been made aware of, or have witnessed it first hand to perform.