Character Limitations Answer

Director · Post by **Director** » Wed May 03, 2017 6:30 pm

Character limitations will be bumped up to a total of 10 slots. However it will function similarly in the sense of. In the past it was you had, 1 Konoha, 1 Suna, 1 Kumo, 1 Iwa, and 1 Kiri as your total. One could be a MN or MC. But now you can have 10 characters, but a max of two from each area. MN and MC count as their own slot but still take away from your village slots as they did in the old system.

If that makes sense? Ask questions if it doesn't.

Post by **Trusted Grader** » Wed May 03, 2017 6:44 pm

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Flankingfox · Post by **Flankingfox** » Wed May 03, 2017 8:26 pm

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Legacy · Post by **Legacy** » Thu May 04, 2017 4:35 am

This is a big change.

WrightJustice · Post by **WrightJustice** » Thu May 04, 2017 9:59 am

So you can have a MN from Suna and a VN from Suna but not say 1 MN and 2 VN from Suna?

Zangy · Post by **Zangy** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:01 am

Sia · Post by **Sia** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:26 am

can your two VN from the same village interact with each other? etc?

Post by **Kabu** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:41 am

Director · Post by **Director** » Thu May 04, 2017 1:06 pm

Nope, there is still absolutely no interaction between characters. Obviously they can hear of each other, but interaction is a nope.

@Wright
You can have 1 Suna MN and 1 Suna VN. And then another MN from a village of your choice, or MC person. The issue is with your MN or MC you're still sacrificing a village slot. So like if you're not gonna use Suna at all, you use your two slots for it as your MN and MC chars.

Takumi · Post by **Takumi** » Thu May 04, 2017 2:02 pm

can you have two characters in the same organization?

Willoria · Post by **Willoria** » Thu May 04, 2017 4:06 pm

Will we be able to get more slots available in the character colors in our profiles?

Director · Post by **Director** » Thu May 04, 2017 4:44 pm

@Takumi
No at having two of your characters in an organization.

@Kat
Yes, that's something that'll be done within a few days.

Edit: That's something I just fixed now lol.

Red X · Post by **Red X** » Thu May 04, 2017 4:48 pm

WrightJustice · Post by **WrightJustice** » Thu May 04, 2017 5:21 pm

Can we get even more colour slots than that? Companions and all that take up colours too.

Director · Post by **Director** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:51 pm

@Kat viewtopic.php?&t=?p=4071981&t=8067768

@Wright It can be discussed in the future, but right now I believe 10 color slots is a lot to allocate.

Sia · Post by **Sia** » Sun May 21, 2017 7:58 pm

Since characters can't be in the same org but villages are also orgs then we cant really have characters in the same village right? FML. NSRP, back at it again with the bullshit.

Post by **Niro** » Sun May 21, 2017 8:01 pm

soo....character cap was done to prevent interaction between pcs. why can't we interact with our own characters now if we've removed the enforcement of the old rule?

Yura · Post by **Yura** » Sun May 21, 2017 8:28 pm

If I remember correctly, there were two main reasons for the no character interaction thing. The first was that we wanted to promote members RPing with each other, but that was back when the rank up system was heavily dependent on a specific number of missions and socials between characters. We didn't really want people to only rp with themselves so we didn't let them. Since plenty of people do solo plot boards and can literally rank up from genin to bannin with minimal interaction with other characters, this whole reason kinda doesn't apply anymore.

The other reason was to stop people from making a missing ninja from one village and then hunting it with a ninja from with that same village and benefiting from it/harvesting stuff from them. Tbh, I can still sorta see the need for this restriction (not allowing a person's VN and MN from the same village interact), but there's no reason really to stop two VN from interacting. Hell, VN can even get henches at a certain rank so if we are fine with a VN interacting with their VN henches, we should be fine with 2 VN controlled by the same member interacting.

Tl;dr, I think we should let a person's VN interact.

CDF · Post by **CDF** » Sun May 21, 2017 9:49 pm

In my mind it's always been about OPness. If we remove the limit, you basically get to have your own army. It's like when we allowed twins. You could have two characters team up, each of them could have a full set of companions and abilities and you'd control them both completely 100% of the time.

It provides a pretty huge avenue for abuse. I could do all of my Zenchou/SoS threads with just two of my characters. I could sacrifice one in kamikaze style to benefit the other. I could make throwaway characters time and again to benefit one main character and then discard the other once it's no longer useful to the main.

I'm ok with the limitation on your own PCs interactions. I would, however, support a rule that lets you do specific cases of it (if something was going on and made sense for it to happen, you'd post it as a PB or something and mods would give it an ok). Another case i'd be ok with is if control of one of the PCs was given to somebody else like an RP mod. But as it stands, yea, i'd rather just keep the limitation.

Post by **Ace Trainer** » Sun May 21, 2017 10:16 pm

This is exactly what Ian did not want, so I personally advocate for it.

Jinan B · Post by **Jinan B** » Sun May 21, 2017 11:15 pm

The main thing is power in a thread I think, like what Chuck said. If you can have two characters in a thread with other PCs not only do you have a somewhat automatic advantage in the case of PvP because you have two characters compared to the other person's one (unless they have two as well, but that isn't always the case ofc) then the playing field becomes somewhat unbalanced. Even if it becomes 2 vs 2 with you with your 2 chars vs 2 users with their 1 each I still feel that it's a bit unbalanced because the two users may well not agree on strategy etc OOC and etc etc (this isn't really the point that I'm trying to make cause really chuck already made it), while outside of combat you still have two characters deciding what's happening in the thread as well, kinda tipping the power in your favour anyways.

What I feel could be a thing though is 2 characters interacting in lonelies together. Not even like threads with storytellers, but just lonelies. It gets rid of the issue of having too much power compared to other users, for one, and seeing as lonelies in general are only mostly used for when you want to develop your character in some way or another I can only see having two characters in the thread adding to those possibilities. There could even be a restriction added if the staff feel it necessary about not being able to do these lonelies as part of a PB. Really, though, I don't really see what harm would be caused by the concept.

Willoria · Post by **Willoria** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:28 am

IC PvP is almost always previously agreed upon one way or another so honestly its really not a reason to say no to two characters of one rper interacting.

As far as having two in one thread why don't we just make it a rule that in those cases, in the social gradings, they get either half points on each character or can only receive points on one of the characters.

I really think this is one of those things that most people saying no are really overthinking this.

Post by **Niro** » Mon May 22, 2017 5:32 am

Yeah, if two characters owned by the same person are in the thread, they should get half points at pay out. And the argument of 'oh if you have 2 and they don't' doesn't mean anything tbh since the other person also has the opportunity to do so but decided against it.

Person A shouldn't be punished for Person B deciding not to take the same option he also has/had.

Cylan · Post by **Cylan** » Mon May 22, 2017 6:33 am

Ace Trainer:
Mon May 22, 2017 3:16 am
This is exactly what Ian did not want, so I personally advocate for it.

You know exactly what to say to make me agree with you.

Post by **Kabu** » Mon May 22, 2017 11:56 am

Frankly, I'm all for this so long as it's limited to socials and lonelies.

Post by **Niro** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:05 pm

Limit character interaction to socials and lonelies with points earned halved per character.

Director · Post by **Director** » Mon May 22, 2017 12:34 pm

@LiftingLimitations The limitation on interacting with your own characters is a no. We're not about to lift the limitation as its in place to prevent you from abusing it, and gaining rewards without actually interacting with others. Yes we recognize the suggestion of just lonelies and socials, however we're an RP site for people to interact and write stories with each other. Not just write stories with themselves, and not interacting with others. Yes IC PvP is always typically agree'd upon, however even if allowed, we may as well bring Twins back and we know exactly how broken that was. So the answer is a no. The limitations are there for a reason, and will stay.

@Sia You know how the system works, and what its explicitly for.

Post by **Niro** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:28 pm

...? Halving the points from lonelies and socials removes the issue of abusing it. Abusing it how then, if not from a points view? Making writing easier, allowing more character development and plot to go forward? Is that really abusing interaction between PCs?

We already have elements of solo play on NSRP, this just allows another venue for those who do not wish to RP with others and prefer writing within a small group of people or by themselves. People are already pretty much forced to RP together and this really wouldn't lessen it either as the majority of RPs are being done through PBs which wouldn't be allowed.

If people want the freedom to write by themselves, let them. Don't be so strict about the RP content of a dying site, it'll only hurt it further.

Your reasoning for PvP isn't even a reasoning just a flat out no because...I'm right? I don't know, you didn't explain. You already removed one limitation by allowing more than one character per village, there is no reason not to allow interaction. You've already removed the rule which enforced the prevention of character interaction and we've solved the issues involved with character interaction.

EDIT: Why do any form of village henchmen exist then if we're trying to prevent character interaction too? They break the rule as well in their own way. Hell, they might not be as strong but they don't even half your points and can help you on PBs. No reason to make 2 PCs in a village when you can make a village hench.

Legacy · Post by **Legacy** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:43 pm

Niro:
Mon May 22, 2017 7:28 pm
...? Halving the points from lonelies and socials removes the issue of abusing it. Abusing it how then, if not from a points view? Making writing easier, allowing more character development and plot to go forward? Is that really abusing interaction between PCs?

We already have elements of solo play on NSRP, this just allows another venue for those who do not wish to RP with others and prefer writing within a small group of people or by themselves. People are already pretty much forced to RP together and this really wouldn't lessen it either as the majority of RPs are being done through PBs which wouldn't be allowed.

If people want the freedom to write by themselves, let them. Don't be so strict about the RP content of a dying site, it'll only hurt it further.

Your reasoning for PvP isn't even a reasoning just a flat out no because...I'm right? I don't know, you didn't explain. You already removed one limitation by allowing more than one character per village, there is no reason not to allow interaction. You've already removed the rule which enforced the prevention of character interaction and we've solved the issues involved with character interaction.

Personally I'm still in favor of keeping interaction between same village characters (created by the same person) restricted because for starters, the site already suffers from people not branching out and including new members or just other writers period in their plot line which aids in the stagnant periods that Saigen has. You have a lonely option for solo writing and I feel like that in end of itself, should be enough. The moderators and admins are aware of the potential drawbacks to allowing interactions between same village created user characters which is why things are the way that they are now. This is just me speaking from my own point of view, I think things should remain as they are.

Director · Post by **Director** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:43 pm

Niro:
Mon May 22, 2017 7:28 pm
...? Halving the points from lonelies and socials removes the issue of abusing it. Abusing it how then, if not from a points view? Making writing easier, allowing more character development and plot to go forward? Is that really abusing interaction between PCs?

We already have elements of solo play on NSRP, this just allows another venue for those who do not wish to RP with others and prefer writing within a small group of people or by themselves. People are already pretty much forced to RP together and this really wouldn't lessen it either as the majority of RPs are being done through PBs which wouldn't be allowed.

If people want the freedom to write by themselves, let them. Don't be so strict about the RP content of a dying site, it'll only hurt it further.

Your reasoning for PvP isn't even a reasoning just a flat out no because...I'm right? I don't know, you didn't explain. You already removed one limitation by allowing more than one character per village, there is no reason not to allow interaction. You've already removed the rule which enforced the prevention of character interaction and we've solved the issues involved with character interaction.

It isn't a dying site. In-fact quite a influx of members are coming back. My PvP is because it can be abused by utilizing two full PC against a singular one isn't fair in the slightest and is one of the reasons twins were gotten rid of, hence why I said there is no difference between doing what you said and getting rid of twins.

We removed one limitation for characters not interacting each other because we saw it prevented from ideas being fulfilled, and allowing people to try different things out. We didn't remove it because it limited inter-personal character interaction. We removed it on the basis we enforced the idea you could not RP with yourself and having faith the playerbase wouldn't abuse such a blatant thing that could be broken.

And yes it can be abusing interaction between PCs because you can further a plot line further than you would by actually facing the challenge of convincing other people towards your cause/goal, or the fact of changing NPC's minds around. Its much easier when you control that character, and aren't faced with a legitimate challenge of the fact of uncertainty because as someone controlling that character, you control the outcome of the interaction. Which is why its valued person 1 vs person 2, rather than yourself vs yourself and the rule is there.

Post by **Niro** » Mon May 22, 2017 2:49 pm

Summertime is one of the points in the line graph where Saigen activity spikes, otherwise the site has the same 20 members for the last 2 years on the chatbox doing whatever. That's not the point though.

Majority of what you said is literally just what I answered. The only part I really even care to answer is the bottom section.

That's up to mods to actually read the work of the RPer when it is sent in for grading and stop any situation of abuse. Major plot goals shouldn't be allowed to be completed without PLOT boards anyway. Limiting interaction to socials and lonelies while cutting points in half solves the issues.

This also helps villages with poor population as members who are in poorly populated villages can still do something with their characters and setting.

Director · Post by **Director** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:01 pm

Which opening the character limitations to 10 already helps the population in villages by giving them more options to choose from. However the option will not to be to use themselves as an interaction as it still is poorly populated, and you have people not interacting promoting cohesive writing which discourages people from even creating characters in the village. This is a roleplaying site in which writing with others is strongly encouraged, never will it ever be encouraged to write by yourself or strictly keep interaction between yourself as that isn't character building. If you wanna write stories solo, then I suggest you start writing fan-fic. This isn't a fan-fic site, this is a roleplay site in which others are heavily encouraged to interact and roleplay building each other's characters up and stress the challenge of uncertainty never knowing which way something can go. Allowing people to rp with themselves removes that factor, and destroys the idea of rping with others if I can control majority of the story.

Willoria · Post by **Willoria** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:05 pm

Would you at least consider this taking to a mod discussion instead of just a 'lolno' in this thread?

Post by **Niro** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:07 pm

People will continue to rp with each other. Socials by definition include more than one RPer in them so there's no loss of interaction between RPers there.

Character interaction shouldn't be allowed in PBs as been agreed on, meaning no loss of rping between different RPers there.

You may see an increase in lonelies which means the mods have to do a little bit more of grading work.

TyDie · Post by **TyDie** » Mon May 22, 2017 3:10 pm

I'll give my two cents publicly on this: I'd be okay with the idea of character interactions between two RPCs controlled by one RPer as long as a few rules are in place:

-You cannot enter a PvP situation with two of your characters working together (Unless agreed upon by the opposing party)
-You cannot in any way use one of your own character to benefit another of your characters. If you are found trying to do this, your ability to interact with your own characters can be removed.
-You either get half points for both of your characters in the thread, or full points for a single character in the thread.

if these things are put in place (Particularly the first and second ones), I don't see a reason to disallow this. We went half way with the lifting of character limitations, we might as well go all the way. This is my opinion on the matter.

Jinan B · Post by **Jinan B** » Mon May 22, 2017 9:31 pm

As well as the points mentioned previously. Allowing this change in no way encourages interaction without other characters. Yes you can write between yourself, but you're still only gonna be able to do it in a lonely (and if two people are allowed on a social why even bother with a lonely). That lonely is also gonna get maybe half the points that a social would and you'd then split those points between your characters anyway. There really no point here where this is encouraged by the site system, it's just possible. That's not the same thing.

On the contrary, in order to make any progress on the site you have to do PBs, which the majority of the people asking for this change say shouldn't be allowed with 2 of your own chars anyway. Another point where if you can't get a lot of points or stats or really develop your character a lot because that's what PBs are for, then how is it encouraged?

Really all the arguments against it put forward by PR stand against the change if it was made unconditionally, and not if it was made with the clauses that people are asking for with it.

Director · Post by **Director** » Tue May 23, 2017 6:51 pm

We have discussed this in staff chat, and the answer is still firmly no to letting characters interact. This is an RP site, where we want to encourage a healthy line of writing stories with others. However we do not want to allow people to interact with their own characters in a thread.

Willoria · Post by **Willoria** » Tue May 23, 2017 7:02 pm

-Issue Dealt with-

Post by **Ace Trainer** » Tue May 23, 2017 10:00 pm

Can we get a more thorough explanations of this? It seems a lot of counter arguments are being produced by the members that aren't being addressed by the staff. If the staff is against the change then so be it, but they should be able to present sound reasoning to it. That doesn't appear to be the case atm

Sia · Post by **Sia** » Wed May 24, 2017 7:04 am

Ace Trainer:
Wed May 24, 2017 3:00 am
Can we get a more thorough explanations of this? It seems a lot of counter arguments are being produced by the members that aren't being addressed by the staff. If the staff is against the change then so be it, but they should be able to present sound reasoning to it. That doesn't appear to be the case atm

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