Specialization Discussion

Do you think current specialist systems are too restrictive?

Yes
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No Opinion
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20%
No
3
20%
 
Total votes: 15

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Post by Director » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:50 pm

Hey guys, so I said I'd throw this post up here for a while. This is currently the discussion that is occurring in the Discord channel, "this-week-at-saigen". I wanting to compile, and organize the thoughts said. Arguments for and against the idea, and also post up an official poll to better keep track as voting with emoji's isn't that consistent.

The topic at hand is if specializations are too over bearing, and cause issues with building characters. Below is a picture directly from the discord channel.


Then we asked which of the three options are the best. Below is a picture directly from the discord channel.


For now we'll just be voting if the specialization system can stay as it needs to, if you're indifferent to the change, or if it should change to give us an idea of what path we should go down. After voting ceases on that part we will then move to the best proposition if you guys seem interested in it. Please post any arguments I may have missed, or any ones that you have after debating this in the channel or thinking on it. This thread is entirely for debating this idea and stretching it out so we cover all angles.

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Post by WrightJustice » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:15 pm

I put yes in the sense of just the custom locks.

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Post by Hayate » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:34 pm

Yeah so specs are fine as is. By design it was restrictive, and that is a good thing. Generalists are in a fine place and there's no reason to open up everything to everything.

An example is Iijutsu- specifically nin based iterations should not be something anyone can just get. It created a scenario where all end-game characters had Iijutsu for regen or various techniques- even to resist poison etc to be competitive, and forced old saigen into a situation where skill and talent and strategy meant less, and stock piling shit tons of irrelevant jutsu to your character just for being able to use it to counter others became the meta.

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Post by ShinobiTruth » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:40 am

I don't necessarily feel that Iijutsu is the best example to bring up. Simply because something is available for people to take doesn't always mean they'll do so, for a number of reasons. Iijutsu especially requires a Ninjutsu/Control heavy build, and the execution of the vast majority of the techniques involve constant focus and can't be used on the move, meaning that other people would need to cover that individual, people that likely do not have iijutsu.

Just because something's open for people to get doesn't necessarily make it a problem so long as there are other conditions on their use that reasonably limit their feasibility to specific types of character builds.

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Post by Sia » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:47 am

Option 2 on Valk's poll is nice. I vote that.
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Post by TyDie » Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:03 pm

Sia:
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Option 2 on Valk's poll is nice. I vote that.
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